Flashback: Smartphone camera sensors have gotten not only bigger, but also smarter


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a combination of good software and good hardware is indisputable but the phone would be expensive.

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Anonymous, 10 hours agoCan’t we have another *non*-QB/Tetra/Nonacell sensor like with those Lumias, would love to t… moreYou’ll have great photos when the sun is up and horrible photos when you’re in the dark.

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Anonymous, 9 hours agoSoftware cannot beat inferior hardware. Accept this fact. Mobile phones use 6-7 elements with … moreDedicated camera lenses often use plastic for aspherical elements because it’s easier for you to mill/mold a piece of plastic into a complex shape than to do the same with glass. Most phone cameras only use aspherical lenses (e.g. see Aquos R6/R7’s lens cutaway diagram), so they are most often made entirely of plastic.

Smartphone lenses are generally impressively sharp despite such a low height, small F-stop and wide field of view, easily solving 40-50MP resolution in the center, as evidenced by the fact that many phones with a Quad Bayer sensor can achieve 2x Lossless Crop Zoom without showing blur or blur in the image. For you to get comparable sharpness on dedicated cameras, you need to close the aperture 1-3 stops, otherwise your image will suffer from soft edges and sometimes lots of chromatic aberrations.

The downside to smartphone lenses, however, is that most of them have distorted bokeh with harsh edges and a bunch of rings inside – now that’s where they cut corners.

“Only vivo and sony have 1 glass element”
No, Samsung and Oppo also use a glass element.

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SpiritWolf, 10 hours agoHad P30 Pro for 2.5 years. I didn’t even get hot. I call it BS. In fact, I refuse to buy a… moreWhat if it’s hot?
My S22Ultra and my Sony 1v get very hot, but still work fine.
Big problem, what’s your newborn baby crying because it’s hot? You are beyond joking.
Mines reach 38 degrees

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TheLastOracle, 6 hours agoNot true. Smartphone lenses resolve as much detail as their glass counterparts, per cubic square meter… more“Hi, what phone do you and do you own?”

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Anonymous, 9 hours agoSoftware cannot beat inferior hardware. Accept this fact. Mobile phones use 6-7 elements with … moreYou always insist on speaking in physical language, you really don’t understand, do you?

Smartphones can find equivalent entries for any physical defect

Including images taken from physically superior cameras while this image is stored
on the Internet

You really don’t understand what smartphone cameras do, huh?

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1. It is not technologically smart to use high resolution multi-array sensor, it is worse than normal low resolution RGB array. Best to use a normal high resolution RGB array layout with reasonably large pixels.

2. Anyway, it’s all ruined by OEM post-processing. They could provide simple post-processing settings controls. There are many versions of GCam with such settings under “lib patcher”. Yes, some GCams allow controlling way too many parameters and it’s too confusing and complicated. But, some provide very simple, few but important parameters to control, such as sharpness, luminance and chroma noise, saturation, blurring, etc. Controlling these makes dramatic differences, especially the sharpness. These OEMs could just add these options! How much effort does it take?? But they are too lazy and greedy even to do that. That’s why it’s almost necessary to install GCam and use it with the stock app to get the most out of the computing capacity of the camera sensor and processor!

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jerem06, 5 hours agoGoogle with its Pixel line shows that software can work miracles with small sensorsYou believe because you see pictures on your cell phone and on TV. now go check on good screens.
Even the kodak I bought in 2010 has no oil painting effect.

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TheLastOracle, 6 hours agoNot true. Smartphone lenses resolve as much detail as their glass counterparts, per cubic square meter… morecontinue to dream.

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Anonymous, 9 hours agoSoftware cannot beat inferior hardware. Accept this fact. Mobile phones use 6-7 elements with … moreGoogle with its Pixel line shows that software can work miracles with small sensors

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Anonymous, 9 hours agoSoftware cannot beat inferior hardware. Accept this fact. Mobile phones use 6-7 elements with … moreNot true. Smartphone lenses resolve as much detail as their glass counterparts, per cubic square millimeter. Maybe even more.

“Zeiss revealed that today’s smartphones require extremely complex high-resolution lens elements that must be crammed into a very small space to create sharp images. To handle this, dual aspherical lens elements must be made, and it is not possible to make from optical glass.For this reason, the camera modules of today’s smartphones use molded plastic materials.

https://nokiamob.net/2021/11/16/almost-all-smartphone-camera-lenses-are-plastic/

I remember reading a long time ago that plastic lenses are much thinner than glass, but with very similar quality and properties. And the lenses have many elements. The last lens on the outside could be a single piece of extremely high anti-reflective coated glass, or even plastic, and the difference in quality, if any, would be dismal.

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IpsDisplay, 9 hours ago$10, light absorption, plastic Even if the conversation is about photography… moreSoftware cannot beat inferior hardware. Accept this fact.

Mobile phones use 6-7 elements in the lens. Only vivo and sony have 1 glass element. Pro lenses can hold up to 18 elements, all of which are glass.
Plastic is not as translucent as glass, phones use it because it is lighter and cheaper.

Have you seen a pro lens with plastic elements.

Tell me, why do phone photos look muddy on professional monitors?

There’s still a gap between the phone and the full-size cameras if it’s just a low resolution battle, but 64mp from the phone and 25mp from the camera are pretty close.
This is basically why high resolution in phones exists and won’t go away.
High resolution video recording is another reason.

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Anonymous, 13 hours agoYou still don’t understand. Plastic lenses can’t handle too much resolution. Even the old… more$10, light absorption, plastic

Even if the conversation is about computational photography, you’re only echoing physical talking points…so you’re already showing that you’re stuck in your ways of thinking

This is the brain over muscle argument and that argument is already settled years ago which is better

The computer camera can replace light absorption with BACKGROUND, these cameras can use search engines, take photos from google image galleries and even always have a video running to prepare the camera, then just assemble/fill in the blanks of what she couldn’t physically capture

Machine learning algorithms can even see through objects

With traditional cameras, if she can’t physically capture, there’s nothing she can do on the more restricted smartphone camera, the more work around algorithms will be born and progress

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Anonymous, 10 hours agoCan’t we have another *non*-QB/Tetra/Nonacell sensor like with those Lumias, would love to t… morePro-i 2, November 11.

Anonymous, 10 hours agoCan’t we have another *non*-QB/Tetra/Nonacell sensor like with those Lumias, would love to t… morethey are no longer in those. it’s all about profit and marketing.

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you must be in pain, 10 hours agoI already figured out it was a battery issue. its aging over time which caused the heat. shit… moreI can’t argue with that. I bought a replacement battery from China for my then Lumia 950XL. Probably the worst decision of my life because it exploded on the first charge.

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Can’t we have another *non*-QB/Tetra/Nonacell sensor like with those Lumias, would love to see what it might do with oversampling rather than binning!!

SpiritWolf, 10 hours agoHad P30 Pro for 2.5 years. I didn’t even get hot. I call it BS. In fact, I refuse to buy a… moreI already figured out it was a battery issue. its aging over time which caused the heat. she told me that her p30 was purchased since may 2019. it is over 3 years old, still using the original battery straight from the factory. if it’s too late to change the battery, it will swell and bend the screen. you also have the p30 pro while my aunt had regular ones. it’s a different model.

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you must be in pain, 13 hours agoit just heats up when you just use tiktok and play simple games. arrived at my aunt’s p… moreHad P30 Pro for 2.5 years. I didn’t even get hot. I call it BS. In fact, I refuse to buy a phone without a Kirin processor. Yeah, I know. Good luck to myself.

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